Open Mike 27/09/25
Open Mike 27/09/25
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Winston Peters declares “No recognition of Palestine”
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Winston Peters declares “No recognition of Palestine”
Anyone else feeling ashamed to be a New Zealander?
Yes and sick as well Anne.
There goes whatever reputation we might have had as a principled, intelligent and trustworthy player in international relations. Now we just look like what we are under this government – a bunch of provincial, conservative morons from some irrelevant and distant settler-colonial state.
The terror of retaliation by the US will have played a big part in this. Anything that potentially exacerbates the already abject failure of Luxon's "growth, growth, growth" fantasy could be fatal for the Coalition. But the ideological disposition of ACT and NZF also plays a part. The infatuation of the political right with Israel, from libertarians like Seymour through to authoritarian nationalists like Peters, is a striking feature of the political landscape right now. We need to better understand its origins.
Judeo-Christian might is right, western supremacism.
1.connected to white race identity
2.Christian nationalism
3.settler colonialism (threatened by UNDRIP/Palestine alliance)
4.right wing solidarity
5.favourites of God vs secular left and Moslems
6.conservative values (heritage and tradition) vs democratic inclusion (DEI/liberalism)
7.on side with winners not losers.
I have been for a long time now.
Zionist Seymour has won out. NZ has bottled it from recognising Palestine at the UN according to Winston Peter’s comments. (various reports at RNZ etc.)
Dirty tail wagging linp dogs.
Listen to who is talking. He thrives on conflict and covets extremism for political gain.
The use of Israeli occupation of the land of Palestine as reason not to recognise a Palestinian state is reprehensible.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/574305/nz-not-yet-recognising-palestinian-state-foreign-minister-winston-peters-announces
The Labour response
https://www.tickaroo.com/e/GchypTdsTx6kShTV
I hope that hell breaks out over this cop-out. I think most NZers want to see people given a fair go, whether it be on a national or international stage. This pitiful government has yet again put its own self interests ahead of that of the nation.
I hope the rest of the world will take note, and quietly but deliberately isolate them from having any real presence at future high powered international summits and conferences. They are so not deserving of it.
It is not as if we are relevant to global progress anymore.
https://newsroom.co.nz/2025/09/26/winston-peters-skips-un-climate-summit-despite-being-in-new-york/
These two are
Finland
Slovenia
I can't agree with the Finnish chappie: his speech was largely empty platititudes. Finland is country that has now joined NATO, despite knowing how this would antagonize Russia, a country with which Finland has been at peace since WWII.
And if he thinks that if Russia invades his country the rest of NATO will come to his assistance, then I guess I'll be looking around for a harbour bridge to sell him.
He seems have forgotten that the US is the exeptional country to which international law does not apply. So much for international law, particularly as it applies to the Ukranian situation..
They and Sweden joined NATO because of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine – a violation of international law.
Maybe Finland feels freer now than it has for over 70 years.
They and Sweden joined NATO because of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine – a violation of international law.
They are not affected by Russia's invasion of Ukraine. Idiots.
Maybe Finland feels freer now than it has for over 70 years.
Deluded fools.. No doubt Russia, once it has finished with Ukraine, will, in the words of Don Corleone, be "making them an offer they can 't refuse".
I suspect, though of course I cannot be sure, that the reason for Russia's recent incursions into Poland's and Estonia's air spaces is to let the states bordering Russia know, if they are thinking of aiding NATO against Russia, just how vulnerable they are.
You label Sweden ‘idiots’ and Finland ‘[d]eluded fools’ and quote the words of a fictitious character as if they constitute a reasoned argument without a modicum of doubt. The irony is off the scale.
I think you should read what I said more closely: I didn't present the words of the godfather as an argument, just as an uncertain prediction. I don't really know what Putin might do about Finland, but neither do the Finns. Nevertheless the possibility of Putin coming down hard on them at some future date is something they should be taking into account.
The Swedes are fools because they will be wasting their resources guarding against a non existent threat.
On the one hand you pose Russia as a non existent threat.
On the other, nations are placing themselves at risk if they make Russia angry.
Pick a lane.
Russia's not a threat, but NATO is clearly an existential threat to Russia. The situation is similar to that in 1962 when Krushchev tried get missiles into Cuba, though we now know that this was by way of retaliation for the missiles the US had already installed in Turkey.
NATO is like a gang of thugs moving in next door: any householder would feel insecure under those circumstances
Russia would not like to see her neighbours joining that gang. .
The Warsaw Pact was the imposition of communist party dictatorship backed up by military occupation.
Eastern Europe has chosen to remain free from that.
Eastern Europe has chosen to remain free from that.
Russia is not threatening to re-establish the Warsaw pact, even were that possible. However she has a keen interest in ensuring that states on her border are not hostile. Membership of NATO would be seen as a sign of hostility.
Boris Yeltsin, when he handed Ukraine her independence, pointed out that there existed a border dispute, but said that Russia would probably not pursue that dispute providing Ukraine remained friendly. Ukraine ended their friendship in 2014, which is one of the reasons the two countries are now at war.
PS: I don't know the details of that border dispute, but I would assume it involved a dispute over the sovereignty of Donbas and Crimea.
a violation of international law.
I suspect that defense of Russia is more important to Putin than strict compliance with international law. Especially when the "exceptional" country, the country that does not bother with international law – unless it is to their advantage to do so – probably pushed Ukraine into this war in the first place.
You seem to be advocating the surrendered wife position to nations near an insecure Russia.
Who wouldn't feel insecure with an enemy like the US. Countries that join NATO are effectively entering into an alliance with that enemy.
Stalin chose his Warsaw Pact course.
That Putin chooses him as a role model is the issue here.
When it came to defeating Adolph Hitler, Russia, under Stalin, did far more than any other country
It was a massacre of more than 250 Lakota people, mainly women, children, and the elderly who were surrounded and murdered with newly invented rapid-firing Hotchkiss cannon. Survivors of the initial massacre were pursued and murdered.
https://www.nlm.nih.gov/nativevoices/timeline/378.html
https://x.com/SecWar/status/1971342502650429458
If I were James Comey, I'd try to avoid 3rd storey windows!
Better pour his own coffee as well. Poots might be in Ol' Four-O's' black books just now, but he is pretty smart at arranging nasty symbolic deaths for people.