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Open Mike 22/09/25

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  1. Todays Posts 1

    Today's Posts (updated through the day):

  2. PsyclingLeft.Always 2

    NZ just…. lagging. Is it because of….NACT1's zionist supporters ? Even Keir Starmer calls enough….

    UK, Australia and Canada recognise Palestinian state, Israel condemns decision

    "Today, to revive the hope of peace for the Palestinians and Israelis, and a two-state solution, the United Kingdom formally recognises the State of Palestine," said Prime Minister Keir Starmer.

    "The man-made humanitarian crisis in Gaza reaches new depths. The Israeli government's relentless and increasing bombardment of Gaza, the offensive of recent weeks, the starvation and devastation are utterly intolerable."

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/573699/uk-australia-and-canada-recognise-palestinian-state-israel-condemns-decision

    NZ not recognising Palestine 'difficult to justify' – Middle East expert

    Recent comments about "weaponising hostages" made by ACT party leader David Seymour demonstrate the different approaches the coalition parties have taken.

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/573701/nz-not-recognising-palestine-difficult-to-justify-middle-east-expert

    Enough.

    • mikesh 2.1

      Where America goes, we go. Where America stands, we stand.

      Adaptation of M J Savage quote.

    • Bearded Git 2.2

      Pathetic… scandalous. Luxon could have put his foot down on the Palestine state issue and dared Seymour to bring the government down, which he wouldn't have.

      Instead presumably Seymour has just put his lead on and is taking him for walkies around the parliament grounds.

      • tc 2.2.1

        Ah yes that coalition agreement that took weeks over that they're trying to spin as being part of the election result process.

        The leads never off luxon with both Peters and Seymour yanking it whenever they choose to.

    • Ad 2.3

      I found this a useful commentary on the effect of state recognition:

      What will recognizing Palestine as a state actually achieve? – DW – 09/21/2025

      In this link is a pretty stark map showing which countries already have made this state recognition. Clue: we don't look so good.

    • Psycho Milt 2.4

      "NZ not recognising Palestine 'difficult to justify' – Middle East expert"

      In reality, it's easy to justify, on the basis there is no such state. No borders, no governing body or credible candidate to form one, no distinct ethnicity, culture or language. The people claiming they must have a state were quite happy to be Egyptians or Jordanians only 60 years ago.

      Worse, one of the contenders to rule the alleged state is a genocidally murderous terrorist group. As an example of why NZ govt is sensible not to participate in this empty virtue-signaling, Hamas has congratulated the governments that did participate and one of its leaders has already called it "the fruits of October 7." It's better that Winston Peters isn't offering them any fruit, thanks.

      • Ad 2.4.1

        Sheesh on those measures I'd shudder to think whether New Zealand would have been invented as a state in 1840.

      • SPC 2.4.2

        The conditions placed on Israel for its membership in the UN have yet to be met.

        • Psycho Milt 2.4.2.1

          Those conditions can't be met by Israel alone, so they're effectively pending until it has a willing partner to enable them to be met.

      • PsyclingLeft.Always 2.4.3

        Well, that was fairly predictable. And it is your opinion.

        Anyway, I have a small question for you. What do you see, when Israeli bombers are blowing up buildings that have Women and Kids inside?

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_genocide

        • Psycho Milt 2.4.3.1

          "Have you stopped beating your wife?" isn't a small question!

          But to answer a question, what I see in Gaza is a necessary war being fought against far-right religious extremists. Wars are expensive and unpleasant, so if anyone's aware of a non-military means of dismantling and disarming Hamas, it's a safe bet the Israeli government will be interested to hear from them.

          • PsyclingLeft.Always 2.4.3.1.1

            It was no trick question. I'm too honest for that. I just actually wondered what you saw. Sadly, you answered predictably. I'll keep that in mind.

  3. gsays 3

    Here's a little light on the horizon.

    A day of solidarity (28th October) between the Council of Trade Unions and The Iwi Chairs Forum. Quite what this will look like I'm not sure.

    I do like the observation that if one day's pay can't provide; 3 square meals, 24 hours rent and utilities, a fraction of a clothing allowance, savings for when we can't work then why are we working.

    Hat tip teaboot.

    https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2025/09/21/nz-unions-finally-fighting-back-against-a-far-right-anti-worker-government/

    • Barfly 3.1

      Unless you want people working 7 days a week 365 days a year you may want to multiply that by 1.48 (weekends and holidays) . My apologies for being picky – my bad day = my bad mood

      • gsays 3.1.1

        Hey, all good.

        Further proof that if success is to be achieved you need folk operating from the heart and folk operating from the head.

        Hopefully yr mood has improved. Here is 3 minutes of the wonder of nature just in case it hasn't.

        Attenborough and BBC from 16 years ago so highly unlikely to be AI wink

  4. Hunter Thompson II 4

    Scoop has a press release discussing the high rate of crashes caused by tourists who fly in to NZ and straight away get behind the wheel of a car while fatigued: https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/AK2509/S00721/speeding-tourists-unrestrained-toddlers-the-chaos-one-highway-cop-faces-daily.htm

    I recall hiring a car in Queenstown late last century and noticing a small sticker, just below the speedometer, about the size of a postage stamp. It had a horizontal arrow on it pointing to the left.

    This faded little note was the hire company's reminder to foreigners that we drive on the left.

    • Drowsy M. Kram 4.1

      Scoop has a press release discussing the high rate of crashes caused by tourists who fly in to NZ and straight away get behind the wheel of a car while fatigued.

      Definitely a thing – and I wasn't even a tourist. Luckily no real harm done, just damage to my car – and pride. Won't be doing that again.

  5. Ad 5

    If any older people can recall driving from Auckland past Huntly and seeing the long lines of coal buckets ferrying local coal to the old Meremere power station, well, we're starting something very similar again. This time the majority state-owned company Genesis is buying Huntly coal for its Huntly power station:

    Genesis turns to NZ coal as Huntly demand heats up | The Post

    They're starting with 120,000 tonnes a year.

    It's great that some companies are going for larger-scale solar in some places here. Excellent. But don't ever think that something like Solar Zero with state backing is going to come back:

    Behind SolarZero's collapse | RNZ News

    Even if you could convince Treasury and MBIE to forget that SolarZero collapse, it would also take quite a chunk of time and belief from a fresh board to build up a new version of the dead Green Investment Finance fund:

    Government to wind down Green Investment Finance | Beehive.govt.nz

    Sustainability in energy production isn't a safe bet even with state majority control of a generator, whether it's a large one or a small one.

    • joe90 5.1

      I worked at Meremere.

    • Drowsy M. Kram 5.2

      I do remember the buckets (Are they moving? I think they're moving!), and counting how many chimneys were belching smoke. Good times – we don't know how lucky we were.

    • Belladonna 5.3

      I remember the buckets well – we visited family friends at Te Kauwhata fairly frequently, and the road ran below them. Dad would stop the car and we'd forage for lumps of dropped coal for the fire at home. Not a lot of spare money, and every little helped….

  6. Ad 6

    Well until the cow-cockies get their enormous Fonterra fire-sale payout mid 2026, ain't no-one but no-one with a free-floating $50k to go invest in some company somewhere.

    NZ investor confidence is at the lowest point since COVID:

    NZ investor confidence drops to Covid lows – NZ Herald

    • thinker 6.1

      Speaking of which, I've been thinking about this fonterra deal.

      The brands have been sold for $3b and that's a one-off payment.

      But the sum is so large it must have an impact on the net wealth of nz inc, for future years. It might help farmers pay down debt but it's hardly helping the economy to grow.

      Even though fonterra is private it’s so big as to be in the government sphere of interest and influence.

      How will the government factor the sale into it's growth model, from years 2 onward?

  7. E Burke 7

    I suggested last week that we were at a watershed moment in the US and the UK.

    200,000 to 300,000 people turn up for Charlie Kirk's memorial service and millions watch on TV. Reports suggesting many, many young people attending.

  8. Drowsy M. Kram 8

    Limiting smartphone use in schools seems a good idea, but I'm not a user, or a student.

    Mobile ban in schools not improving grades or behaviour, study suggests [6 Feb 2025]
    Dr Victoria Goodyear, the study's lead author, told the BBC the findings were not "against" smartphone bans in schools, but "what we're suggesting is that those bans in isolation are not enough to tackle the negative impacts".

    She said the "focus" now needed to be on reducing how much time students spent on their phones, adding: "We need to do more than just ban phones in schools."

    Smartphone bans in schools remain unproven [30 July 2025]
    In truth, such policies have been put into place despite little evidence that such bans promote student wellbeing or grades. Indeed, several recent reviews of research in this area have shown that evidence supporting the efficacy of such bans is limited.

    Blame smartphone use, not the food?

  9. Sanctuary 9

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/green-party-chief-of-staff-resigns-citing-health-wellbeing-and-whanau/WBTG4W4ZW5HW5HYQZRKTAAY6EI/

    Jeez why would anyone rely on this bunch of hopeless flakes in a bar fight, political, metaphorical or actual? They've got all the staying power of a handful of organic straw thrust into a furnace.

    • PsyclingLeft.Always 9.1

      Jeez do you know anything about the persons health,well being, whanau? Maybe just fill your boots at the bar, and stick with ol' granny herald …..

    • Obtrectator 9.2

      And hey presto, they immediately segue into a survey – yet again! – of all previous resignations, expulsions, etc. Every blessed time.

    • Ad 9.3

      Add them to that 30% turnover list it's just another reason to stick with a stable centre left party.

      • KJT 9.3.1

        Meanwhile, in the real world, the Greens have put forward a costed, and vetted by real economists, proposal for investing in the economic, environmental and social future of NZ. Something sorely needed.

        Unlike National whose "plan" seems to be to destroy everything they touch, if they cannot flog it off to their cronies first, Labour who is yet to have a plan, but seems to support a slight relaxation of Neo-liberalism, Peters, who will pander to any bunch of loonies that get them over the threshold, (principles be dammed) and Seymour, who thinks Ayn Rand was a prophet!

        • Bearded Git 9.3.1.1

          Exactly KJT. The Greens continue to poll over 10%.

          Their key and impressive leadership cabal remains intact. Also intact are their genuinely left wing and pro environment policies

          The Greens are certain to be needed by Labour to form a government in 2026, and they will drag Hipkins' highly conservative proclivities to the Left.

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