Jones accuses Luxon of hiding
Jones accuses Luxon of hiding
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7:51 pm, August 31st, 2025 - 43 comments
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It is hard to imagine how this Government can continue to function properly given what Shane Jones said today.
At a meeting of grey haired NZ First members he was his bombastic best.
He raised the spectre of Nuclear Power for New Zealand. This frankly is a joke. Solar power and wind power and battery technology are now that advanced that there is no case for nuclear power stations, unless you want to make sure you have enough fissible material for bombs.
Hopefully this piece of anti science anti wokeness will cause the same effect that happened to the Australian Liberal party recently.
He promised that immigration will be at the centre of its election campaign. Eat your heart out Nigel Farage.
He continued his campaign against “wokeness”, the “global world order” and “cultural Marxism”. He promised to jettison “the fiction around climate change”. He also suggested that speaking Te Reo was childish.
But the draw dropping comment he made was about Christopher Luxon’s Prime Ministership.
Simon Wilson at the Herald quoted Jones as saying this:
They say Luxon is falling in the polls because he’s doing nothing. The leader of our Government is not doing nothing. He is doing something. He’s hiding.”
The chances of a snap election just shot up.
Get ready.
Update: The above statement has been pulled with the statement “An earlier version of this story misquoted Shane Jones about the Prime Minister and poll results. This was incorrectly reported …”
Anyone with video of the meeting?
MS a good Post. And as for the 300 anti-woke warriors (no Spartans these) wildly applauding the wanker? He and NZFist are welcome to them, and the rest of their climate denier/cooker crew.
The irony of a dinosaur..appealing to other dinosaurs. Their time..has come, and not in any way they imagine. Thank fuck !
If Jones is dumb enough not to accept that man-made climate change has been scientifically proven, maybe he should accept that solar power is now one of the cheapest forms of power generation. He should be backing solar with attached battery storage rather than coal.
To justify this he only needs to look over the Tasman where even Gina Reinhart, one of the richest people in Australia through her mining interests and well known for her anti-green views, has chosen to build a solar farm on her property because it makes financial sense.
https://www.crikey.com.au/2024/10/11/gina-rinehart-solar-farm-iron-mine-climate-change-denial/
Scandalously, only 1% of NZ's power comes from solar, though there are several large solar farms on the horizon and rooftop solar (where NZ has 3% houses with solar while the OECD average is 20%) is starting to make inroads.
BG I dont think Shane hand on it Jones is dumb, so much as, wilfully ignorant.IMO he has innate cunning. (bit like his leader Ol' Winnie)
And of course he knows well his NZFist audience (who are maybe quite dumb) so plays them like a fiddle…as it were.
Re Ol' Gina…she is like an uncartoon of the Simpsons Mr Burns. Mrs Burns if you like. A sadly apt moniker…..
And re Solar. There we already have Nuclear Power…beaming down on us. I could say its dumb not to be utilising it far more…but sadly vested interests are not so keen. We desperately need Change.
You have probably seen/know these but maybe for others?
Psych-willfully ignorant=lying.
In regards to nuclear power a very quick AI search tells me:
Solar power generation is now significantly cheaper than nuclear power in the UK and globally, as it is considered the cheapest form of energy generation available. The levelized cost of electricity (LCOE) for solar photovoltaic (PV) projects has fallen dramatically, with some estimates showing it is already cheaper than or competitive with fossil fuels and nuclear power.
The new Sizewell C Nuclear power station in the UK has now blown out to a cost of around NZ$60 billion. Importantly, people seldom include in the cost of nuclear power usually massive decommissioning costs.
The only safe way of storing material generated by NP appears to be in Norway where they are storing it underground. Even this may not be safe in the long term..
No argument from me…I just dont think he's dumb. Focused on power certainly..sadly (for us) its just his own.
And of course Solar nuclear Power, has hands down got to be better than any of Shame hand on it Jones bombastic blatherings…
Jones needs to use his mouth to breathe and eat and not much else. He is turning in a knee jerk, bombastic dumb comments and grumpy old moaning wokeness. He needs to get a grip on some reality
Just over halfway through a term so it must be time for New Zealand First to destroy the government they are in.
… though Jones is right.
Luxon is so demonstrably our weakest Prime Minister in a century he may as well not exist.
Well, I have been calling Luxon out for disappearing whenever there is a problem, like "Macavity the Mystery cat."
But one of the CoC calling him out Wow. Who is Shane wanting in Luxon's place? Winnie?
I must buy some popcorn. This could get interesting Micky.
Shane Jones is decaying in real time. The florid circumlocutions that he once imagined were are a marker of his brilliance, are giving way to unambiguous drivel.
The local branch of illiberal populism knows who its Stephen Bannon voice is, who the Maori Bob Jones amongst us is.
The Breitbart impersonator down under, our very own carbon inhaling Ferengi.
The character that Winston First did not know they needed bringing the greatest show to every small town
the slayer of the woke, the warden of the bathroom, the champion of the new nuclear age and the end of global action to preserve the conservation estate and protect the environment and the habitat for human life on the planet, the taniwhai of the swamp and all things slash of the forest,
the like that has not been seen here since Mark T, Barry C or Fred D, sicker than the dog of the Paremata boathouse poet, heeeeer's Shane.
PS Sam says do not be a Nigel.
Careful, we need NZ1 to get 4.9% in the election. No more, no less.
+100 thinker
I guess the old saying that you can always tell a Harvard man, but you can never tell a Harvard man is true about Shane.
Jones as Harvard….maybe something they wouldnt want known? (although, there have been some interesting Harvard Alumni..)
Anyway..there is this. After Harvard..
And now the lure of lucre…
I doubt if there will be a snap election – it would be to neither party's (NZF or National) advantage – with the current polling. And Peters will be well aware (wily political veteran that he is) that NZ electorates heavily punish the party which is perceived as triggering an early election.
Sounds to me like NZF playing to their base – and differentiating themselves from National, in preparation for the election next year.
In respect to Peter's speaking to his base you have to admire New Zealand first for keeping a chunk of the aging demographic while pivoting to pick up some of those on the fringe. Those on the fringe that feel politically homeless but are highly engaged in the political process.
For example some of those that occupied parliament grounds were motivated by underfunding in the New Zealand Fire Service. Despite reports recommending funding success of governments have ignored this.
Not pure enough for idealogues of the left, Peter's small n nationalism will appeal.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/auckland-fire-response-hindered-by-broken-big-ladder-trucks/ZPPGZYVRRVCRJI5ZO6DXNYMR4M/
I've not heard of this.
Is this based on media reports?
Peters has backed dumping the foreign buyers ban today.
Hipkins in a clever attack on him here:
"Labour leader Chris Hipkins argued Peters and NZ First had betrayed their voters by allowing Luxon to pump up house prices with foreign money.
“He’s rolling out the red carpet for wealthy foreigners wanting to buy New Zealand while Kiwis struggle to get on the housing ladder … Winston Peters should change the name of his political party, he’s no longer putting New Zealanders first,.."
https://www.interest.co.nz/public-policy/134995/government-tweaking-overseas-investment-act-rules-allow-migrants-special
That will upset a chunk of NZF/Peters base. Now it seems Seymour is running rings around Peters as well as Luxon.
Photo from Simon Wilson's piece has a photo of NZF members. Two of them appear to have passed away in their seats…
The more the left (or right for that matter) makes fun of Peters' supporters, the happier he is. Alienating them makes them feel they have no political alternative. And oldies vote. Well above the average turnout
https://elections.nz/democracy-in-nz/historical-events/2023-general-election/voter-turnout-statistics/
Why is it ok for Peters to alienate immigrants, Maori, lefties, environmentalists, scientists, young people, transgender people, and the media.
But it's not ok for anyone to attack his antiquated supporters?
The comment you're replying to answers that question. Because it entrenches them in their support for Winston First. Where as if we listen to them, find out what fears are behind their anger, and what's driving those fears, maybe we can convince them their best interests lie in supporting a different party?
If you want people to vote for your party – attacking them is a strategy which is guaranteed to fail.
Are you sure about that? Scapegoating is a proven strategy that can work remarkably well.
Yep. Pretty sure. If you describe NZF supporters as effectively dead on their feet – then those supporters will be offended, and will certainly not be shifting their vote to whichever party or political sphere you appear to represent. Much more likely to hunker down and continue to support Winston.
If you don't think that you need those votes – then do as you please.
That may be a viable strategy for TPM supporters (the gulf between them and NZF seems fairly unbridgeable) – so they're not going to entice NZF supporters to tick the TPM box – but it's a very poor strategy for the Left as a whole.
Scapegoating only works well when it targets an already marginalized group. Oldies, who vote in a much higher proportion than the general population, are not that group.
Genuine question, what is anti-science about Nuclear Power?
Isn't it heavily rooted in Science and Research?
(This isn't an argument for Nuclear weapons or Shane Jones,
both should never have been created)
Science, research and costings, ROI, for nuclear power shows it is a daft idea for NZ, where we have much better alternatives.
Report: renewables cheaper than nuclear – Energy Magazine
There are still people who dream of making a fortune, selling their years of investment in nuclear power development to mugs like Jones.
Ok so it's not "anti-science" then?
Just currently less feasible than other options?
(especially given the infancy of Nuclear Power and it's research/applications)
And yep I understand there would be Nuclear grifters, just like a lot of industries
(especially ones related to Shane Jones)
Thanks for the reply/clarification
When do you imagine…it would be feasible ? For NZ. Some reading for you…
Coincidentally, the world’s oldest reactor is celebrating its 56th birthday today.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beznau_Nuclear_Power_Plant
Earthquake risk makes nuclear never feasible in NZ.
Nuclear power has been around for nearly 90 years.
If it was a viable option instead of renewables, I think that would have been obvious by now.
There do appear to be countries where it is a viable option: e.g. France has over 65% of its power generated by nuclear – and exports a very significant amount to Italy (which decommissioned their nuclear reactors – and have found (so far) that renewables don’t come close to covering their needs).
I don't think that NZ is one of those countries. We have the benefit of good sources of hydro and geothermal power. And increasing sources of solar and wind. The big question is over the 'power gap' – which requires some form of 'saved' energy. ATM this is gas and coal. If/when these are depreciated – what will take their place?
Well, Lake Onslow would have filled the gap.
Countries where the alternative is brown coal, have a case for nuclear.
We don't.
Which is why I said
What I'd like to see is the proliferation of wind/solar to the point where hydro and geothermal are the back up power generators.
D-how do you feel each time there is a headline "Russia complains about Ukraine attacking Russian nuclear plant" which has been the case on several occasions in that war.
BTW solar power is cheaper than nuclear power. And before you say “that only works when the sun shines” this is no longer true. Grid-scale battery storage linked to solar plants, already in use in California, Texas, Australia and China among others, is now viable and getting cheaper all the time.
If the sun doesn't shine and the wind blow there is no power to transfer to the batteries.
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/germanys-energy-transition-hits-reverse-so-far-2025-maguire-2025-05-08/
No, take another look Mr. Scott….the panels and associated technology, including battery technology, have advanced immeasurably.
Nuclear power is yesterday's tech.
BG I'm not advocating for nuclear. The article was sent to me by a friend who works for Siemans who provide a lot of wind turbines in Germany. My question is how is it possible for the power to be stored in batteries when the wind doesn't blow as much as forecast.
I'm still trying to get my head around how it's possible for water to be stored in our hydro-lakes when it doesn't rain as much as forecast.
Wow, that’s impressive and we must bow to the obvious authority and, by proxy, to you for sharing this ultimate knowledge with us. As they say, one swallow doesn’t make a summer.
Brian Tamaki has tried many times to be the Billy Graham of NZ, converting people to evangelicalism and funneling them into a conservative political party. But our real Billy Graham is Winston Peters, community hall revivals instead of tent revivals, evangelising Muldoonist right-wing populism instead of fundamentalist Christianity. Shame Jones is just following a well-established pattern.